No need for Dr Death backup

Lawyer Gobind refutes call for another foreign pathologist
Wednesday, November 4th, 2009 07:57:00
DR PORNTHIP

DR PORNTHIP: Can sit in on second postmortem — APpic

CALLS by certain quarters to have two foreign experts, if a second post-mortem on Teoh Beng Hock is allowed, is unnecessary, according to counsel Gobind Singh Deo who is holding a watching brief for Teoh’s family.

The calls for having another foreign pathologist expert alongside Dr Pornthip Rojanasunand came after suggestions that Dr Pornthip’s findings can be biased as she is engaged by the Selangor Government.

“There is no reason for another foreign expert to be present if this idea is because certain parties think Dr Pornthip might be biased. All I can say is there is no logic behind this,” said Gobind.

He added that one must understand that Dr Pornthip’s earlier findings was based on documents from two local pathologists who conducted the first post-mortem.

In her testimony at the inquest two weeks ago Dr Pornthip said that Teoh could have been tortured. She had also testified that the marks on Teoh’s neck looked like he had been manually strangled.

Dr Pornthip said Teoh’s skull fracture was not typical of a transferred injury due to a fall but was more compatible with blunt force being directly inflicted to the head.

Gobind

GOBIND: No logic behind presence of second pathologist

Gobind said that since she said this, she must be the person who should conduct or supervise the post- mortem, so that she can prove what she had said.

He also told Malay Mail that if she was allowed to conduct or supervise the second postmortem, she will explain her findings in court where people can question her.

“If people want to question her findings they can do so when she explains it in court. As I said earlier her findings will be backed up by photographic evidence,” added Gobind.

Teoh was found dead on the fifth floor of the Selangor headquarters of the Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission in Shah Alam on July 16, a day after he was questioned overnight.

The president of the Malaysian Medical Association, Dr David Quek, said having another foreign pathologist expert was a good idea to give another opinion.

“The Federal government can also apply to have another expert of its own choice to perhaps to give his or her opinion, but this would depend on who can give a more persuasive and consistent appraisal of the reenactment,” said Dr Quek.

He also added that this would help to eliminate any accusation of biasness in Dr Pornthip’s eventual findings, and also to prevent more people coming in and requesting for a third or fourth autopsy on Teoh.

In his email, he also explained that there were few doctors and experts who would sell their services just for the money, because such opinions would usually be subject to close scrutiny and meticulous cross examination.

There will be a court hearing today on the application  to exhume Teoh’s body and whether to allow Dr Pornthip
to conduct the post-mortem on Teoh.

Earlier Malay Mail reported that Dr Pornthip might not be able to conduct the second post-mortem as according to Malaysia’s Criminal Procedure Code (CPC), the post-mortem examination of a body has to be undertaken by a government medical officer and Dr Pornthip from Thailand does not fall under this category.

However yesterday, the Malay Mail quoted Health Ministry director-general Tan Sri Dr Ismail Merican as saying that Dr Pornthip can sit in on the second post-mortem. Dr Ismail, who is also president of the Malaysian Medical Council (MMC), said: “Any expert invited to give an opinion is free to do so, though a lot depends on
the background and qualification of the expert.”

He also added that for a doctor to practise in Malaysia he or she must have a practising certificate from MMC, but for a doctor to give an opinion on certain issues, the practising certificate is not necessary.

Comments

Forensic doctors are trained qualified doctors who then specialise in the pathology field. Under the Pathology field are many catogories in which Forensic science is one of them. Just like any other work, apart from good academic knowledge, there is a need for application of the knowledge and good judgement. Experience builds confidence so there is a need for exposure. Publications and discussions stimulates comments which improves and refines judgement and credibility. Opening cases & discussions to the world doesn't mean that we are not good enough but it brings credibility if we are right and realisation to the facts if we are wrong. The attitute of allowing oneself to be corrected is the basic need for learning & improving. So it is not a question of if our locals are good enough but everyone should be open, transparent and eger to learn if we want "A better Malaysia". Dr. Porntip has many commendations from the world so she is indeed world class. Being a medical doctor whether employed, paid by anyone is bound by the Hippocrates oath. They are to tell the truth. If we cannot belief her there is no reason to even belief in any other person.

Submitted by Anonymous on Thursday, November 5th, 2009.
There are many types of "Doctors". In this case, "medical practitioners". From your normal GPs to Specialists in every type of sickness of the body[ liver, pancreas, kidney, lungs, etc etc] to the "knife'doctor[Surgeon]. These have to do with the living. And there are PATHOLOGIST[with the Dr. title] who work on dead bodies to find the reason for the cause of death. A person may die from suffocation[ such as the presence of water/fluid in lungs, rope marks from hanging, etc etc], Death from loss of blood [throat/wrist/body cut], other condition causing death. So not all doctors are the same. It is not hard to open-up a corpse with the knife if you are used to the dead. You need training, though. And there are FORENSIC PATHOLOGISTS. So, you see, THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPE/S OF PATHOLOGIST. Forensic?? Yes, it is a science/ "ärt" "methods" of TRACING how a physical bodily condition probably occured. The question is " have any of our pathologists in this case received up-to-date FORENSIC training?". Do we need to review the CJC for any amendments on the "government medical officer" part? This is a real issue and not about "saving face".

Submitted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 4th, 2009.
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