Mixed views on Selangor's 'no-plastic bag' ruling

It's the only thing people get for free, say consumer groups
Tuesday, February 9th, 2010 10:52:00

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KUALA LUMPUR: The Selangor government's 'No Plastic Bag Day' campaign that began on Jan 1, has  received mixed reaction.

While some welcomed the move, observed every Saturday, as a step in keeping Mother Nature alive and kicking, there are others who are annoyed they have to pay 20 sen for every plastic bag during the campaign.

However, shopping outlets, retail stores as well as hypermarkets like Carrefour and Giant, have taken to the campaign every Saturday.

The Malay Mail spoke to several consumer groups yesterday to get their take on the campaign.

Consumers' Association of Subang and Shah Alam, Selangor (Cassa) president Jacob George:

"It's stupid to charge 20 sen for each plastic bag on Saturdays. On what basis did they decide on the price? We were never consulted. People might think that Cassa had a role in determining the price of the plastic bag.

The 20-sen charge is simply too much. Don't get me wrong, I fully support this campaign as it is very good for the environment. However, charging for plastic bags defeats the whole purpose. This is a good campaign but it needs to be finetuned."

2 . National Consumer Complaints Centre senior legal manager Vahsudevan Perumal:

"Just last week, we received four complaints about the charge for plastic bags. These people were not even aware of the campaign and felt no sufficient notice was given about the 'No Plastic Bag Day' campaign.

Charging 20 sen for plastic bags is totally unfair. The people pay for the products they buy and on top of that they have to pay for the plastic bags. If they are giving plastic bags for a small fee, it defeats the purpose of the campaign.

Either you give plastic bags or you don't. The campaign is for shops throughout Selangor but so far only major hypermarkets are getting involved. What about the smaller outfits?

3. Malaysian Muslim Consumers' Association secretary-general Datuk Dr Maamor Osman:

"The  campaign is a good initiative by the Selangor government. But I don't agree with the 20-sen charge for plastic bags. What is the purpose of carrying out this campaign if you can pay to get plastic bags?

If the campaign says no plastic bags, then there should be no plastic bags, paid or otherwise."

4. Consumer Research and Resource Centre chief executive officer Datuk Paul Selvaraj:

"People have been getting plastic bags for free for a long time and they will feel the pinch when they have to pay for it.

I think 20 sen for a plastic bag is okay. In order to change the mindset of people, they need to be educated on the environment, but, sometimes, even after being educated, they won't voluntarily say no to plastic bags.

So charging for the plastic bags is one of the best ways to instil environment consciousness among the people."

5. Federation of Malaysian Consumers Associations (Fomca) president Datuk Marimuthu Nadason:

"The 20-sen charge for plastic bags is fair. It is very cheap compared with what some other countries are charging for plastic bags. I think the people are just as excited about the campaign as those who implemented it.

It does not matter whether the campaign is being carried out by Pakatan Rakyat or Barisan Nasional. As long as it benefits the environment in the long run."

Comments

Shops need to provide paper bag as a replacement or cut down 20 cents from our expenses for using our own recycle bag. I agree that there should be no plastic bag at all. Is shops making extra money? Did Selangor govt really think of this when they decide that consumer should pay extra 20 cents? Why never think of other option as paper bag as a replacement ? The shops are getting extra benefits while people have to pay more money if we want plastic bag? Why you don't ask all the shops to prepare for paper bag alternatively?

Submitted by N on Thursday, February 11th, 2010.
Instead of shops charging us 20 cents for each plastic bag, why shops do not provide us the paper bag as a replacement or cut 20 cents from our expenses at the shop if we use our own recycle bag? I agree that there should be no plastic bag at all. Is shops making extra money for each 20 cents they charge on plastic bag?

Submitted by nany on Thursday, February 11th, 2010.
I was very excited and happy to see the campaign. I have been using my own bags for 3 years now. I think that most people are missing the point - the charge is a way to change people's mindset by hitting home where it hurts (the pocket) about how their actions affect the environment. Most people already know that plastic bags will harm the environment, the education campaign has been going on for long enough. It's time to TAKE ACTION, and although, because it is the nature of humanity, ( I don't know), punitive measures seem to be the only way. There have been encouragements by a long time, in the 90s, as a teenager, I remember the "recycle" campaign.. and it took us 20 years to implement a "no-plastic bag" campaign. The FREE plastic bags are not biodegradable and it has ENVIRONMENTAL COSTS, ie landfills, plastic bags being callously thrown. Ever wondered how our grandparents time survived without plastic bags.. they used rattan baskets for their shopping, take their own bowls for "tah pau" and fish, veg were wrapped in newspapers! Plastic bag is a convenience that we all have taken for granted and somehow, ppl seem to think that they have a "right to this privilege" at the cost of environmental degradation. It is because most ppl shop on saturday, which is PRECISELY why it is strategic to implement it on a Saturday.

Submitted by tze yeng on Wednesday, February 10th, 2010.
USA being the biggest democratic country today does not even have ONE supermart or hypermart that practice "no plastic bag" day. This country has a long time ago been selling shopping bags. Yet up to this day every shopper in the country has the FREEDOM to CHOOSE - either to buy their shopping bags, or bring one's own bag, or stay 'bagless' each time they go shopping. And when one choose to be 'bagless' one even has the FREEDOM to CHOOSE which bags they want - plastic or paper. This is just one of the many reasons why many Malaysians choose to remain living in the West because freedom of expression and freedom to choose is widely practised here, besides the daily life in the West is not hectic and stressful. Contrary to popular belief, the salary paid out by Malaysian companies is not one of these reasons.

Submitted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 10th, 2010.
when I shopped in Tesco, I brought a green bag from them and I use it whenever I shopped in Tesco. No problem on that. And I think the plastic bag should not be limited to only Sat, but the rest of the 7 days instead. Why? because countries like HK (if you've been there, you would have seen the way the people use plastic bag like there's no tommorrow, newspaper wrapped with plastic bag?!). The amount they used, is tremendous! Retailers like Wellcome HK now charged $0.50HKD for each plastic bag, so when I was there, a lot of people either bring their own bags or just carry the goods with their hands! so i say, no plastic bags if you wanna go green!

Submitted by Eugene Williams on Wednesday, February 10th, 2010.
This is a lame campaign..just another goverment tactic to get support. Plastic bags are convenient for carrying stuff.Why don't they give out free recycle carry bag for every 20 ringgit spent.So if you spend more u get more bags.Then next time they can bring the bags along. I don't mind paying 20 sen for a bag I i didnt know it was no plastic bag day.Come on 20 sen only you idiots are worrying about where the 20 sen goes i mean that how it is so pay up or not bags. Simple.This campaign was too quiet alot of people didnt know about it so its kinda their fault for not advertising properly. So if you feel that its rubbish if they don't give plastics just leave the stuff at the counter and walk off. You can comeback another day when there's no campaign.

Submitted by Kambeng on Wednesday, February 10th, 2010.
Un- Practical. Shoppers do not use large number of plastic bags, there are not to be penalised. Look at the goods on the rack. Chocholates,Candies,Snacks , Chicken, Fruits are all wrapped in plastic bags therefore this campained is not futile. Why not the Goverment ban non biogradable plastic bags? We know now ubi kayu is an environmental freindly ingrediance for plastic bags. It s just like cigar, if it so damaging to a person health jus ban it , closed down the cigar factory but we know why it still operating right it all about $$

Submitted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 10th, 2010.
I like the initiative. Since a lot of people shops during weekends, State Govt should make it every Saturday and Sunday too. 20 sen is okay. If you say its stupid because coz plastic bags are still provided then you must be not very clever. At least some sort of option is provided to those who need the extra bags. Slowly and hopefully ppl will recognize the effort is promote self dicipline.

Submitted by malaysiana on Wednesday, February 10th, 2010.
I support "no plastic bags". It is not about Selangor only, this is for the world environment. If people thinks that 20 cents is too expensive for a plastic bag, then they have the option of not buying it. Dump all your purchases into the trolley and load in straight to your car. Otherwise bring you own bags.

Submitted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 10th, 2010.
I wish to state that i have never agreed with the idea that to stop using plastic bags we will help the enviroment. As i see it, this campain is yet another marketing ploy to make more money from consumers. If we are worried about plastic bags getting into the enviroment and then into the sea, why not insist that supermarkets and so on needs to use biodegradable plastic bags. that way, the bags will degrade in a matter of 6 months and provide less problems for our enviroment. Using biodegradable plastic bags would add a small fraction of the cost to the plastic bags, but when you think in terms of dollars and cents... It cost 2 cents to buy plastic bags from the manufacturers, and 3 cents if we need them to be biodegradable. In addition, consider this, it takes the equivalent amount of 50 plastic bags worth of plastic to make 1 recycle bag.. now. .what if we also throw away those recycle bags? won;t that also lead to more plastic being used and disposed into the enviroment? If we are using paper bags or boxes, we will only increase the use of paper, and worst still .. like at carrefour in the sphere in bangsar south, corrugated boxes that were previously recycled are now thrown away in dustbins, cause they are used to ferry groceries home. Another point to take note.. if i forgot to bring my recycle bag with me and they are not going to give me plastic bags, i would buy less.. which then leads to me spending/burning more petrol on more frequent trips to the grocery store.

Submitted by Rational thinker on Wednesday, February 10th, 2010.
We should get discount if bring our own bags on Saturdays . This will encourage/educate the people. Not by charging them ...0.20 is totally unfair . People still can get the plastic bags ... "No plastic beg" means totally ban the plastic bag ...

Submitted by Fauzy Che Yayah on Wednesday, February 10th, 2010.
All these hypermarkets spends a great deal of money advertising their everyday low price products. Why can't they allocate some for the banners to be put outside their buildings reminding shoppers to bring their own bag? Big companies too, in the fast moving consumer goods should start packing their products with these recycle bags - to be given out as part of the campaign. Consumers therefore need not have to buy these controversial 20 cents plastics bags since they can start using these recycle bags immediately. No plastic bags and no polystyrene food packaging everyday should be the order of the day. Say "tak nak" to plastic bags and polystyrene products!

Submitted by Soh on Tuesday, February 9th, 2010.
Now I have fork out extra money to buy garbage bag.

Submitted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 9th, 2010.
What I don't understand is why Saturday was chosen. In Penang, Monday is the NO PLASTIC DAY. This is very reasonable because less people shop on Mondays. On Saturdays these hypermarkets have less customers because people tend to feel troublesome without these plastic bags. Therefore these hypermarkets are packed on Sundays. I agree they should not charge 20 sen for the plastic bags because it will defeat the purpose. No Plastic Day means no plastic. Simple as that. If these campaigns are promoted on Mondays, it can later be extended to Thursday. Educating the Malaysian public takes time. But to start on Saturdays is not a wise move. It will defeat its purpose. On top of it, these hypermarkets should provide paperbacks to the customers like in the US and European countries as an alternative. Remember MAKRO? No plastic bag means no business. They were forced to close their business in Malaysia but is surviving in Thailand. MB Selangor should learn from CM Penang.

Submitted by Tony Tan on Tuesday, February 9th, 2010.
Where does the 20 sen go? To the company's coffers? That's wrong as we are then addign to the profits. I think the plastic bag campaign is very short-sighted. Instead we should look at reusing bags and using degradable bags. If I don't get plastic bags I still have to BUY them for garbage when I would otherwise use free ones from the supermarket. Supermarket profits, plastic bag maker (for garbage) profits...consumer have to spend more ...sigh

Submitted by zz on Tuesday, February 9th, 2010.
Either you give plastic bags or you don't. Charging for plastic bags defeats the whole purpose. In order to change the mindset of people, they need to be educated on the environment. Slowly but surely people will voluntarily will learn to carry their own cotton bag for shopping. Public should get used to one day in a week trial and slowly increase the days of no plastic day. By then people will get used to bring their own cotton bags for shopping.

Submitted by Rml on Tuesday, February 9th, 2010.
Instead of people complaining about paying RM0.20 for a plastic bag, why not get yourself a recyclable carry bag and start practicing bringing your own bags the next time. It should be a 'no plastic bag everyday' and not just on Saturdays.

Submitted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 9th, 2010.

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