Defect found on Royal Malaysian Navy sub

Technical problem prevented French-built Scorpene from diving
Wednesday, February 10th, 2010 10:29:00
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OUR FIRST: The KD Tunku Abdul Rahman arriving at Port Klang for its official welcoming home ceremony on Sept 3 last year

KUALA LUMPUR: The country's sole submarine, KD Tunku Abdul Rahman, suffered a technical defect that prevented it from diving for three months. The problem was fixed last week.

The defect forced the RM1 billion plus French-built Scorpene submarine to delay tropical water trials that were scheduled to be completed by the end of January.

As a result, builder DCNS SA extended the warranty for the submarine, which was supposed to expire on Jan 25, until May so the KD Tunku Abdul Rahman could complete its trials — the first step to obtaining its Initial Operational Capability (IOC).

RMN chief Tan Sri Abdul Aziz Jaafar told The Malay Mail on Monday that the trials started this week, after DCNS completed the repairs.

"We did not allow the submarine to dive due to safety reasons. Now the problem has been fixed, the trials can be conducted," he added when met at the Defence Ministry.

The submarine was commissioned early last year after undergoing two years of trials in France.

In an email to The Paper That Cares recently, Abdul Aziz said: "KD TAR had not obtained its IOC yet as she is experiencing a defect under warranty that would not permit her to dive.

"The contractual completion for all tropical trials was before Jan 25 but submarine builder, DCNS had agreed to extend it to May 2010 as they had to rectify all warranty defects."

A defence industry source said problems with new ships or submarines were common and described the problem with the new submarine as "teething, although serious as submarines need to be able to go underwater".

The source likened the problem to that suffered by the Royal Australian Navy (RAN) with its Swedish-built Collins class submarines, which were put into service in the late 90s.

It was reported on Jan 21 that the RAN submarines' Swedish-supplied Hedemora diesel engines may have to be replaced — a major design and engineering job that could cost hundreds of millions of Australian dollars and take years to complete.

The Malay Mail learnt that the KD Tunku Abdul Rahman problem was discovered when the submarine was to start its tropical water trials in October, after its homecoming ceremony on Sept 3 last year.

The submarine is expected to complete all trials by May and be cleared for operations in the same month. It is also expected to conduct the live firing of its SM39 Exocet anti-ship missile in May.

The second RMN submarine, KD Tun Abdul Razak, is scheduled to conduct its first live torpedo firing late this year.

It is believed that the problems with KD Tunku Abdul Rahman is the reason for the arrival of the KD Tun Abdul Razak, scheduled for January, to be delayed until June or July. It is reportedly undergoing a second phase of trials by Navantia, a Spanish shipbuilder and partner of DCNS.

The Malay Mail learnt that Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak discussed the technical problems of KD Tunku Abdul Rahman with French Defence Minister Herve Morin during Lima 2009 in Langkawi last December and Morin promised the matter would be solved "as soon as possible".

Following the meeting, two naval officers from France came to Malaysia to help RMN solve the problems. Defence Minister Datuk Seri Ahmad Zahid Hamidi leads a task force to ensure that the submarine's technical issues were resolved.

The two submarines were ordered in 2002 at a cost of RM3.4 billion.

Submarines built by French and Spanish firms

BOTH the KD Tunku Abdul Rahman and KD Tun Abdul Razak are to be based at the Royal Malaysian Navy base in Telok Sepanggar, Sabah, which was built specifically for submarines. The base also houses maintenance, training and personnel facilities for the vessels.

The two Scorpene submarines were built in separate modules at the Navantia shipyard in Cartagena,  Spain, and the DCNS yard in Cherboug, France, before the hulls were joined and launched. The KD Tunku Abdul Rahman was fitted out at the Cherboug shipyard while KD Tun Abdul Razak was completed at the Navantia shipyard.

Apart from the two submarines, the deal also included the purchase and refurbishment of an Agosta class submarine, which is used to train RMN personnel. Some 150 RMN personnel were sent to Brest, France, for training as part of the procurement programme.

The Scorpenes are classified as Perdana Menteri Class submarines with the RMN. Both submarines are armed with Blackshark wire-guided torpedoes and Exocet SM39 antiship missiles.

They can carry out anti-submarine or anti-surface ship warfare, as well as special forces deployment in coastal waters.

Both vessels are equipped with necessary emergency systems to ensure the survival of its 32-man crew for seven days. The submarines are reportedly able to spend an average of 240 days at sea a year.

Comments

navy malaysia submarine has many Defect found because 2 main reason!!! 1)we love big and cheap. 2)cut cost (low quality) and now the latest news is Our submarine can’t dive!!!! malaysia boleh!!!!

Submitted by Anonymous on Monday, April 12th, 2010.
The mere thought of confronting Malaysia which has 2 modern non nuclear subs will make your enemies think twice. Perhaps the story spilled out about defects in your subs could well be a deception for your enemies especially after your Min of Defence revealed blatantly that Malaysian defence personnel were found supplying infos to foreign missions. It would be a very grave mistake of your enemies to try anything thinking that your subs are not able to dive only to find out that the so called defects were just a deception and it could well result in your enemies' assets sunk by your greenhorned but determined submariners. Be proud of your armed forces - even the sight of a Malaysian solder armed with a malay parang would scare the hell of any invaders - imagine what a sleek sub would do!!!!!!

Submitted by Anonymous on Friday, February 12th, 2010.
Yes agreed we need the submarines and more of it......2 definitely is not enough for our vast country but hope it is a start. Our armed forces has been getting crappy equipment for years now...just look at the MIG29s...its a big joke..hey i paid my taxes but not for some 2 bit old soviet crap that was gonna be scrapped so soon that spewed black smoke that can be seen atleast a mile away..........the least the powers that be can do is study these things in great detail b4 making these purchases....money doesn't grow on trees n there is severe lack of accountability when things go wrong in this country. The question that however remains in everyone's mind is the manner in which these were bought (why do we need middle men to negotiate) and the amount that was paid.............need i say more. And wat about the jet engines........one low rank sergeant and an outsider has enough balls to remove 2 engines right under the RMAF's nose n nobody knew nothing............somehow very hard to believe......this whole episode shows volumes about the attitude of the people in the government; don't take us for fools. The government of the day is answerable to the people and it is never the other way around..............

Submitted by Anonymous on Friday, February 12th, 2010.
Once upon a time, right after WWII, we were one of the more formidable military power in the region due to our experience in 2 emergencies. Let's hope that the military and the paramilitary wing of the police keep on modernising themselves and restore our status as a respected military power. Whatever wrongs, we make them right. Whatever rights, we improve on them. The subs are important!

Submitted by OldManNow on Thursday, February 11th, 2010.
Submarines for what ah? At RM3.4 billion, that amount of mullah can go to so much better use. Some more defective. Waste of tax payers' money. If I were to tell someone overseas that we have two submarines, the respinse will be 'so what?' Absolutely, nothing to be proud of. Next episode: missing submarine !!

Submitted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 11th, 2010.
If I am an opposing country with an air craft carrier ship, I would think twice deploying my fleet in an offensive move against Malaysia with its two subs. Unless of cause I have destroyer ships with anti subs weapon, still..

Submitted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 11th, 2010.
Did u even read the whole story? Typical of Malaysians whole love to complain saying waste of this, waste of that, without having any knowledge or facts to back up the opinion. If you've been following Defence related matter around the world, Malaysia is not the only one facing 'defects in Military equipment'. The mighty US Airforce have it shares of problems with their F-22 which had computer glitch while crossing the International dateline. And thats a Multibilllion Air Superiority fighter project. I dont think Americans call that project "a waste of taxpayers money". Only in malaysia yes.

Submitted by Starstreak on Thursday, February 11th, 2010.
ok thank you for the explanation.

Submitted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 16th, 2010.
it looks like a sub, sounds like a but and move like a sub but it is not a sub

Submitted by Kenny Lim on Thursday, February 11th, 2010.
Those who commented negatively do not know the subject and I dare say are ignorant and unpatriotic. Does Iman know that Royal Navy personnel are those serving with the UK Navy not the Royal Malaysian Navy. The article stated even the Royal Australian Navy had major technical problems with their Collin class sub. Don't just simply blame the sub crew who had undergone vigorous training in France and Spain before being qualified to mann the sub. DCNS would not simply extend the warranty period due to negligence of the crew. If you want to put your comment please check your fact and figure before blaming others.

Submitted by Sedia Berkorban on Thursday, February 11th, 2010.
Those who whacked the money or steal government properties are the ones unpatriotic

Submitted by Senthil on Friday, February 12th, 2010.
same as those who always whine "why waste on subs, why waste on jets, why waste on Tanks" who basically don't want to see a strong Malaysian Armed Forces. Let's face it, Malaysians mostly are unpatriotic. Right from policy makers to its people.

Submitted by Starstreak on Friday, February 12th, 2010.
maybe its Karma for not paying the commission to the person who helped broker the deal ;)

Submitted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 11th, 2010.
Nobody would have raised any questions if all transactions are transparent Amen

Submitted by Senthil on Thursday, February 11th, 2010.
S*** is floating.

Submitted by harry on Thursday, February 11th, 2010.
Please tell me the procedure.... ****************** Jack Brosnan

Submitted by camper trailers on Thursday, February 11th, 2010.
It is easier to put out the fire underwater than over water. All you got to do is open a hatch in a submarine, you do not to pour water into the ship till it sink incase a floating ship caught fire

Submitted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 11th, 2010.
Wow, another great story from our great nation. A submarine that cannot dive is equivalent to a fish that can't swim!! Could it be our local sailor boys screwed up due to ,maybe the instructions being in English or French? Could my bat instinct be wrong?

Submitted by Batman on Wednesday, February 10th, 2010.
Those who defended the purchase of the submarines.... The question we need to ask is if whether the money could be put to better use. Whether the purchase itself is transparent? HINT: How much commission is being paid? If a new sub is defective, what is our guarantee that it will work underwater? Are we being too nice (or we are obligated in case more dirt surfaces if we resist) to just accept whatever that is dished out to us? Hmm.. fishy fishy... Sam

Submitted by Sam on Wednesday, February 10th, 2010.
Ahhhhh Malaysians...what are Malaysians if they do not complain??? Even the most sophisticated weapons possessedby western military have their faults and it is better to see the shortcomings rather than only realising it during an actual war!!! Even your paranoid southern neighbour makes mistakes - remember their proud formidable warship that collided with a freighter in broad daylight? So, Malaysians.....be proud of what you have or else there is nothing to be proud of when you have nothing.

Submitted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 10th, 2010.

I can't agree with you more on the attitude of Malaysian who knows nothing more but to complain. One should not make comments when they don't know the complexities of the problems hi tech equipment such as a submarine can encounter.

Be grateful for what we have. Be it a submarine or any other piece of machinery our armed forces possess to defend the national interest of the country. Unfortunately, we have fellow malaysians who is good at putting the nation down instead of appreciating the efforts made to mordernize ther country's defenders - men, women of the various branch of the armed forces be it the army, the navy, the airforce and the police. Although there has been a spade of scandals that were uncovered in the various branch of the armed forces, they are the doings of a small segment of the members of the otherwise proud men and women in uniform.

Hopefully when the law catches up those who have tarnished the names of the otherwise proud, honest and brave men and women, they should be incarsarated and banished for good. So for those of you who are only good at criticising, I suggest you keep your opinions to yourselves unless your comments are backed up with facts. Believe me ! - you should be proud to be a Malaysian despite the shortcomings.


Submitted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 11th, 2010.
At those who disagree with the submarine purchase please take note that Submarine have many other uses than shooting torpedoes. It is used for Intelligence gathering, monitoring etc, etc. Its a force-multiplier for any navy. Before questioning about Malaysia's submarine, why not ask yourself, why our neighbours Singapore, Vietnam, Indonesia have submarine? And why our purchase is met with alot of disagreement?(as with every defence procurement for Malaysia) My bet is because there is a big number of Malaysians who aren't really patriotic.

Submitted by Starstreak on Wednesday, February 10th, 2010.
true..true..

Submitted by Patriot on Thursday, February 11th, 2010.
i hope those who read this or any defence related article, fully understand and digest before making comments and not just by reading the title and blurting out rubbish opinion that will mislead others! As for the article. - It clearly states that its the manufacturer's fault, not RMN! - Problem solved - Warranty extended.

Submitted by Starstreak on Wednesday, February 10th, 2010.
Read todays Malay Mail....the problem is not solved in fact a NEW problem arising!

Submitted by Senthil on Thursday, February 11th, 2010.
Hope they get it fixed soon. Those RM3.4 billion submarines ain't no use to anybody if they can't submerge!!!! What a joke!!!

Submitted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 10th, 2010.
Who says it is not good to have submarines. They are at least good to look at. It would even be better if we can have an aircraft carrier or two. I can even picture the creation of our very own Tentera Angkasa Diraja in the coming future, just to show the world that Malaysia Boleh. Now, am I being patriotic enough ? People who question the loyalty of those who tell the truth should really consult their psychiatric doctors to find a solution to their problem i e the problem of finding fellow Malaysians not being patriotic enough.

Submitted by Atan on Thursday, March 4th, 2010.
Tell me the purposes of buying 2 submarines. Water War?

Submitted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 10th, 2010.
Tell me the purposes of buying 2 submarines. Water War? There are 5 main tasks for Submarine. 1. Inteligences Gathering. 2. Only a submarine can search for other submarine. FYI all our neighours has submarines, Singapore, China, Indonesia and Vietnam. USN and The Royal Navy also operated their submarines in South China Sea. 3. More effectives than the surface ship. FYI info to find a submarine for the Surface Ship it's just like to find a needle in the football field. 4. Mine Laying 5. Special Force Operation. Compositions of ASW (anti submarine warfare) in orders to search for a sub. 1. 3 or 4 Surface Ship. - Fitted with towed array or hull mounted Sonar. If not fitted with the ship just a sitting duck. 2. Ship Borne Helos - Need to be fitted with dipping sonar. 3. MPA (Maritime Patrol Aircract) but you need only One submarine to track Surface Ship dozen of surface ship. To qualified as a Submariners it's take years.... To others enjoy the peace that you had... Coz nobody gonna bomb your house... shoot your family.... bla bla... Subs are extremely quiet – and mobile. We go places you would never imagine a sub going.

Submitted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 11th, 2010.
Next : Submarine went missing. Sold to a foreign country by Royal Navy personnel.

Submitted by iman on Wednesday, February 10th, 2010.
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